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 Post subject: Waterfox?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:50 am 
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Finally, two weeks to the day that the 59 and esr got security patches, the sole, overworked Waterfox developer released his 56.1, which I assume--or at least hope-- included those patches. EDIT: https://blog.waterfoxproject.org/waterf ... e-download

No sooner done--exactly to the day--than Mozilla releases 59.0.2 and 52.7.3, with a patch for https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/ ... sa2018-10/ rated as impact high.

Not sure how safe any of the current forks can be, but especially one with just a sole, undoubtedly overwhelmed, developer.

Once the esr is done, really not sure what my options will be in order to remain secure, except to use the Firefox Quantum version (which I've already customized by throwing all the css I can use at it) whatever that may be. Seems like Waterfox will need constant catch-up, whack-a-mole.


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 Post subject: Re: Waterfox?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:36 pm 
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If anyone is interested in trying it out:

https://www.waterfoxproject.org/en-US/w ... w/?scene=1

After installing the app, using its profile manager, think I deleted the first profile it automatically created, then created a new, empty profile.

cd /Applications/Waterfox.app/Contents/MacOS/
./waterfox -p

To which I copied over my entire esr profile, including prefs.js.

But if you've already upgraded to anything above 56, you can't now go back, since it's based on the 56.0.2, I believe. In that case, start with the automatically created profile, and then at least move over key3.db, logins.json (for passwords) and places.sqlite (for bookmarks) and see also

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Transferring_ ... o_transfer


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 Post subject: Re: Waterfox?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:24 pm 
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Thanks, going to give it a try. :)


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 Post subject: Reminiscing
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:50 pm 
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Not for me, as a browser so under resourced is probably best avoided. Whilst romantic, I think one of the dangers of trying to preserve earlier functionality of the internet, there is an accompanying implicit denial of the present reality of the internet where US corporations feed your data into an algorithm mincer, and governments (at least in this country) who record everything - by law; so for a long time I have thought the internet is not a personal space. Use at one's peril.

Reminiscing, I think of that time travel movie 'Back To The Future' made in 1985. Now that is a time to be romantic about, with the requisite DeLorean time machine to get you there of course. :geek:


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 Post subject: Re: Waterfox?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:55 am 
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It's not really "under-resourced" and vulnerable for its engine and page rendering, as in some ancient, now abandoned browser like Camino. It tries to stay up to date and incorporate the latest security fixes from Firefox--currently at 59.0.2, while disabling some of Firefox's most objectionable features, like Pocket and Telemetry (sending user data back to Mozilla), while maintaining XUL support for "legacy" addons--for me its main benefit. But it is definitely "under- resourced" because of its sole developer, already at the limit, and now branching out and probably spreading himself much too thin into areas like Android. Not sure why some sort of team hasn't developed by now to help with the coding.

From what I've been reading elsewhere, the latest patch to the 59 and esr, which it appears to be missing, was OpenGL related, and NoScript should probably protect, since it disallows WebGL.

https://github.com/MrAlex94/Waterfox/issues/493


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 Post subject: Re: Waterfox?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:16 am 
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That's strange. I am running Waterfox 56.0.4.1 (64-bit) but About Waterfox does not say anything about an update being available. I have it check for updates automatically but not to install them.


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 Post subject: Re: Waterfox?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:23 am 
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DL link:

https://www.waterfoxproject.org/waterfox/new/?scene=2

Yeah, didn't show up there for me either, but I knew it was in the pipeline from following things at

https://www.reddit.com/r/waterfox/


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 Post subject: Re: Waterfox?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:25 pm 
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I don't even use Waterfox and I feel like buying the guy some cups of coffee. Then I paused because the form to enter your credit card information clearly isn't a Paypal form.


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 Post subject: Re: Waterfox?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:58 pm 
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PayPal has a payment API that hides the PayPal-ness of the transaction for sites that don't want to look too amateur. I almost had to build something that used it a while back. Waterfox also claims to use Stripe, which I think is a reputable payment processor. In fact, I think they may be the online payment processor for my housemate's site, but I don't know for sure (I try to stay out of that -- it makes life more serene for everyone in the house).

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 Post subject: Re: Waterfox?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:30 pm 
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I generally try to stay out of as much business as possible so I can't be held responsible for when it goes wrong because I've realized I don't have the time to fix every problem. :lol:

The joy of being a generalist is you've seen a whole lot, and many times you know exactly how it shouldn't be done.


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