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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:18 am 
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Thanks Limnos,

It is exactly as you describe it. I am offered Catalina. But I would like to stay with Mojave just because I need my old legacy softwares.

What is your advice? How can I update from El Capitan to Mojave today?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:28 am 
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Hey, welcome back... was that you on ASC the other day that said something like hey old timer?

Does this help, 10.4.6, not a Combo Update...

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/macos-m ... 2828?mt=12

You may need an older Mac some report Apple checks to see the latest OS you can run.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:54 am 
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BDAqua wrote:
Hey, welcome back... was that you on ASC the other day that said something like hey old timer?

Does this help, 10.4.6, not a Combo Update...

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/macos-m ... 2828?mt=12

You may need an older Mac some report Apple checks to see the latest OS you can run.
Thank you so much!
No that wasn't me on ASC :-)

Yes my MBP is model 9.1 it should work with Mojave.

So your advice is not to use the combo update.

Is it right that I don't need do the step up with all intermediate versions Sierra and High Sierra, right? I can directly use that update if your link?

Thanks again!
Ququq

==== EDIT ====

Actually this above link doesn't work.
First when open it in the AppStore it says OPEN (and not DOWNLOAD). And then it says that the copy of the install of MacOS Mojave.app is damaged and can't be used to install MacOS.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:47 am 
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You can upgrade directly from your current OS version as long as you can find an installer for the base system, not an updater. Note, there is a technical difference between updating and upgrading, the latter being a jump from one main version to another such as El Capitan to Mojave. An updater simply updates one version of Mojave to another version of Mojave.

Apple may decide what it will offer to let you download. That's what I was saying earlier. Their philosophy is that yesterdays "latest and greatest" system version is today's icky old trash to be avoided if at all possible.

Since delaying upgrades is something you seem to do a lot I would recommend you get in the habit of downloading the installer files for future upgrades before the next upgrade appears. You do not need to install them. Stick them on an archive drive until you are ready for them in a few years.

Generally you can skip intermediate versions. However, be warned that sometimes this can result in you needing to do major application upgrades, though I think El Capitan to Mojave didn't see too many. When you eventually decide to go to Catalina you'll find a lot of old software will not work and may no longer exist in a Catalina version.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:50 am 
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Correct, Combo update is only to update earlier versions of 10.14, anymore Apple doesn't provide any earlier versions of OSes, do their 10.14 Downloads will be the latest with the last Combo Updates already applied. :)


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:31 pm 
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BDAqua wrote:
Correct, Combo update is only to update earlier versions of 10.14, anymore Apple doesn't provide any earlier versions of OSes, do their 10.14 Downloads will be the latest with the last Combo Updates already applied. :)

OK, bad for all serious users.
But why is the Download not working? Do I need to install Sierra /High Sierra first?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:49 pm 
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Nope... General Requirements
OS X 10.8 or later
2GB of memory
14.3GB of available storage to perform upgrade*
Some features require an Apple ID; terms apply.
Some features require a compatible Internet service provider; fees may apply.
Mac Hardware Requirements
For details about your Mac model, click the Apple icon at the top left of your screen, choose About This Mac. These Mac models are compatible with macOS High Sierra:

MacBook (Late 2009 or newer)
MacBook Pro (Mid 2010 or newer)
MacBook Air (Late 2010 or newer)
Mac mini (Mid 2010 or newer)
iMac (Late 2009 or newer)
Mac Pro (Mid 2010 or newer)

Do you have any Anti-virus or Cleaner apps installed?

Have you tried it in Safe Mode?

Safe Boot from the HD, (holding Shift key down at startup), does the problem occur in Safe Mode?

Using a VPN?

Is your clock off by more than a minute?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:21 pm 
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BDAqua wrote:
Nope... General Requirements
OS X 10.8 or later
2GB of memory
14.3GB of available storage to perform upgrade*
Some features require an Apple ID; terms apply.
Some features require a compatible Internet service provider; fees may apply.
Mac Hardware Requirements
For details about your Mac model, click the Apple icon at the top left of your screen, choose About This Mac. These Mac models are compatible with macOS High Sierra:

MacBook (Late 2009 or newer)
MacBook Pro (Mid 2010 or newer)
MacBook Air (Late 2010 or newer)
Mac mini (Mid 2010 or newer)
iMac (Late 2009 or newer)
Mac Pro (Mid 2010 or newer)

Do you have any Anti-virus or Cleaner apps installed?

Have you tried it in Safe Mode?

Safe Boot from the HD, (holding Shift key down at startup), does the problem occur in Safe Mode?

Using a VPN?

Is your clock off by more than a minute?

As I said, my MBP is mid 2012 and should be able to run Mojave. It currently runs 10.12.6 and has 500 GB free space and 8 GB RAM, so should really be able.
No, no antivirus or Cleaner running.
I managed however to update to Sierra and am now downloading High Sierra.
We will see if after that Mojave link is reanimated ;-)


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:36 pm 
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OK...


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:54 pm 
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Ququq wrote:

==== EDIT ====

Actually this above link doesn't work.
First when open it in the AppStore it says OPEN (and not DOWNLOAD). And then it says that the copy of the install of MacOS Mojave.app is damaged and can't be used to install MacOS.


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You may have to install high sierra first.

Try this first though:
Disconnect from the internet.
Run the Mojave installer (the Apple mojave "helper app" download from the internet during install
was stopping the mojave install with the "its damaged" error, even though the installer wasn't damaged).

If Mojave still won't install, then install high sierra first, then Mojave (from high sierra).

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:59 pm 
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Just a note from my end.
It may not help here but I get different results.

I have been following this thread and I had been considering upgrading to Mojave myself, although I am still not quite ready yet, but I thought I would like to at least download the installer before it goes bye-bye.

So I tried BDAquas’ link and for me it said ‘Download’ and not ‘Open’.

So I downloaded it and was able to quit the Installer and I have it now, for when I am ready.
I guess I will actually have to try it to see if it works.

I am running High Sierra myself 10.13.6, so perhaps you will get better results after you install High Sierra.

(looks like kjk555 got in while I was typing.)


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:12 pm 
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So I tried BDAquas’ link and for me it said ‘Download’ and not ‘Open’.


If it say Open it's already on your drive in Applications, if it errors on trying to Run it just an older copy with expired Certificate...

There are 2 cures...

Disconnect from the Internet & set the Date back to 2015, then you can run the Install MacsOS High Sierra App or whatever version in Applications.

Or... trash the Install MacsOS High Sierra.app in Applications or whatever version then a new copy can be downloaded.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:38 pm 
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If your main drive is not an SSD, then you will be best off with High Sierra
running on HFS+.

Paragon Software has a free apfs to hfs+ convertor.

Mojave will not allow updates unless it is running on apfs, however High Sierra
will accept updates running on hfs+.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:27 pm 
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Paragon has pulled that converter from their site.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:40 pm 
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kjk555 wrote:
If your main drive is not an SSD, then you will be best off with High Sierra
running on HFS+.

Paragon Software has a free apfs to hfs+ convertor.

Mojave will not allow updates unless it is running on apfs, however High Sierra
will accept updates running on hfs+.

Thank you!
No, I ran an SSD (2TB). It is in Mac OS Journaled format.
I have been using Tuxera NTFS for ages, worked perfectly.
WIll Mojave change the format of the HD??

===== EDIT =====

When trying to install High Sierra, it says "You may not install to this volume as it has legacy FileVault users"
What does it mean and how can I cure this?

==== EDIT 2 ====

I went into the Control Admin account and turned FileVault off. Then I could successfully install High Sierra.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:29 am 
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Apple has actually gotten better in the last few OSes, after a new OS is introduced it will create a page for people who can't run the newest OS and allow you to download the older OS.

For Mojave this page is https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210190

For High Sierra it's https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208969

Step 4 has the link.

These aren't always available from the mac app store because when Apple's certificates expired they didn't... put them back on the app store... or in some cases provide them as a normal installer app. Though you can extract the installer from the bundle on the disk image.

The Mojave installer will convert all mounted HFS+ volumes to APFS. Or can. The installer is a little, um, dicey.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:10 am 
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MonkeyBoy wrote:
Apple has actually gotten better in the last few OSes, after a new OS is introduced it will create a page for people who can't run the newest OS and allow you to download the older OS.

For Mojave this page is https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210190

For High Sierra it's https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208969

Step 4 has the link.

These aren't always available from the mac app store because when Apple's certificates expired they didn't... put them back on the app store... or in some cases provide them as a normal installer app. Though you can extract the installer from the bundle on the disk image.

The Mojave installer will convert all mounted HFS+ volumes to APFS. Or can. The installer is a little, um, dicey.

Thank you!

Is the change of the file system not a problem? I have a also 1TB Time Machine running under HFS+.
Will it be changed under the saved data on it ??
Best, Ququq


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:52 am 
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BDAqua wrote:
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So I tried BDAquas’ link and for me it said ‘Download’ and not ‘Open’.


If it say Open it's already on your drive in Applications, if it errors on trying to Run it just an older copy with expired Certificate...

There are 2 cures...

Disconnect from the Internet & set the Date back to 2015, then you can run the Install MacsOS High Sierra App or whatever version in Applications.

Or... trash the Install MacsOS High Sierra.app in Applications or whatever version then a new copy can be downloaded.

I trashed the expired downloand and downloaded a new one, but it also complained about the broken download. I will try the Date trick though.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:29 am 
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Not certain, but I think the Date trick only works on the old one.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:16 am 
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BDAqua wrote:
Not certain, but I think the Date trick only works on the old one.

Thanks.
Actually now HighSierra works fine.
I am not sure if I should proceed to Mojave. What would I gain?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:20 am 
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You'd gain more restrictions & another year of iffy Security updates. :coffee:

But nothing as ghastly as Catalina.


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BDAqua wrote:
You'd gain more restrictions & another year of iffy Security updates. :coffee:

But nothing as ghastly as Catalina.

HEARD!! I will stick to High Sierra for the Moment!
Thanks all for the fantastic help on this forum!


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Glad to have you back... btw, what kept you away for so long?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:29 pm 
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BDAqua wrote:
Glad to have you back... btw, what kept you away for so long?

The absence of problems due to the good quality of my installation! :D
Everything worked perfectly fine!


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