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 Post subject: Fun With El Capitan...
PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:20 pm 
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I've been fighting with El Capitan for almost a week everyday. I was just about ready
to strangle Tim Cook! :lol:

Fresh copy was a joke, finder and everything else was next to non-responsive and all kinds
of weird problems plagued it. Software didn't want to install, Some programs worked for a while
then quit or went unstable, finder got worse to point of almost being useless. OSx beach balls
at every turn. Video was trashed, fonts so small I couldn't read them.

I was about to give up, then I decided to give it one more whirl. I installed my working copy
of Mountain Lion on the El Capitan partition and did an upgrade to El Capitan. Of course that
broke a slew of Mountain Lion friendly programs, but the video and fonts looked a lot better.
I upgraded the Broken apps (Hands off!, Tinker Tool System, Quicksilver, Xmenu, Parallels
Desktop, Carbon Copy Cloner, Nvidia drivers, etc),

To get some of the upgraded programs to even re-install, I had pull every trick in the book.
I Either had to manually delete app files and/or boot into recovery mode and disable Apple's
deep system protection scheme temporarily (it resumes itself at next reboot of course).
Some programs I had to move their drivers into the user's directory.

I also had to move all my custom bash scripts from /usr/bin to /user local.
Total Finder and Total Spaces I haven't got working again. Most everything else
works though, even including the Adobe CS5 suite (requires a special java install).
Video is back to normal thanks to new Nvidia cuda and osx driver package.

New Logitech mouse drivers helped take out most of beach ball activity. Very few
programs open instantly like they did in Mountain Lion. I believe its all finder bloatware
related though. When I open a program with quicksilver, there are no delays.

I noticed that programs and directory searches using Pathfinder instead of finder are
instantaneous. Finder definitely has bloatware issues, but I can live with it. :)

Installation on: Mac Pro (Mid 2010), Processor 2 x 3.46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon, 32 GB Memory,
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 4096 MB

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:19 am 
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Good work, hopefully this post will give hope and/or help to others.

Has SIP really helped anybody???


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:28 am 
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Oh... sorry. I thought this was a thread about Toni Tennille. My mistake. Carry on.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:51 am 
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:lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:17 pm 
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I wonder if the El Capitan fresh install would be any better if you set the clock back to a few years ago, when El Capitan was supported? A lot of certificates are broken in older OSes now. Funny how really old OSes could keep running until they hit either the year 2000 or year 2038 bug, but the new ones fall down more easily because of all the certificates embedded in them that need regular replacement.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:28 pm 
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Good idea MB. :)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:22 pm 
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My main problem with EL Capitan (unresponsiveness) was a failing controller
in one of the SSD's operating in a Raid 0 setup.

No disk utility I had could detect it. Apple DU, Tech Tool pro and Disk Warrior
all failed to find anything wrong.

Two Samsung 850 pro SSD's were used in the Raid 0 array.

I removed them and separately re-formatted them and ran put each one
separately under a speed test.

One SSD was running at about an 70% R/W speed reduction compared to the
other.

I'm sending it and 2 others back to Samsung for warranty replacement.
They have a 10 year warranty.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:39 am 
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Eeeek, I have 2 RAID 0 840 SSDs (on a PCI card) as my boot/main volume. BUT I DO have both a TimeMachine AND a CCC clone going as well should anything fail.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:04 pm 
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Raid 0 needs tender loving care and especially a good backup plan,
Especially with SSD's.

ChronoSync is an excellent backup tool for your user directory to an external disk
or another internal disk unless you really need time machine backups to save old
files or deleted files.

I just use CCC once in a while because I keep all my user data on another drive. The only
thing that lives on my OS drive is the OS. I back up my user data drive to an external.
Of course I keep a good OS mirror up to date as well.

I learned long ago that SSD speed is not necessary for user data. It can sit in a conventional
drive with a pretty much imperceptible loss of speed. The OS needs the SSD speed, not
your data unless you are movie editing or something. I usually do that though on an
external WD velociraptor, which gets the job done quickly enough to suit me.

Trim usually doesn't work with Raid, so to give built in garbage collection hardware a fighting
chance, I give my SSD's a lot of headroom and refrain from burdening them with intensive
operations like movie ripping/editing.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:18 pm 
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Oh I hear ya... my array is about 60% filled up. Not that much chance of every really growing, but I could always cut stuff. Time Machine on a spinning platter and a CCC clone on another spinning platter (the ne plus ultra of lazy cloning, great software, it turns on the machine around 4AM, does it's thing, then shuts the machine down... PLUS it keep a limited number of just replaced files a la TM).


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:10 pm 
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Sounds good! Cheers... :coffee:

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