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 Post subject: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 3:28 pm 
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So I just put a new 2T drive in service as a TM backup. The volume I am backing up is 592G. The control panel shows I have used well over a T and is showing under a T still available. I look at the exclusions list, everything seems fine in there, it lists the TM disk and 2 other partitions as NOT to back up, but it says "Estimated size of full backup is 620.79G." AND it shows the TM disk (grayed) as having 1.01T on it. AND now it wants to add 197G of supposedly new stuff... I do NOT get what the frak is going on here???


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 4:11 pm 
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TM is so strange, has it completed one or more backups already?

Just in case you're not aware of this tool...

How much free space is on the HD, where has all the space gone?
OmniDiskSweeper is likely the easiest/best, and is now free...
https://www.omnigroup.com/more/

CCC or Tri-Backup is far better at Backups than TM is.


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:44 am 
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No, this was the first one... the only odd thing is that it did recognize the TM disc name as it was the same as the last time. THAT failed drive did have close to 2T on it when it bailed on me. I'm smelling some sort of directory issue at work here... the options panel is still saying ~625G for the backup, not that big a discrepancy to 592G of data.

There is some old prefs file around because if I "enter" TM, I see the one backup I started, but the next oldest is back in 2017 (guess it's been longer than I know since it failed) AND is blank.

Not sure what to do... looking at it via the file system, it's monolithic, i.e. a single file, obviously not subject to "normal" directory issues with multiple files. BUT no question that something sure is wrong here...


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:48 am 
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I'd run DW on it after disabling TM for the repair.

I wonder if the older blank BU isn't permissioned to another UUID?


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:05 am 
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Doubt DW can do much of anything as it appears as a single file. Tired DW on it, it says the disk has a "newer" version of the file system and it can NOT rebuild it. BUT DW also reports the disk has a GUID Partition Table with HFS (Extended, Journaled) for the file system.

I made sure to totally get rid of the prior backup, I broke the array so now it's just 2 individual uninitialized disks before I started using the new disc. So the question becomes, how can I REALLY start from scratch?


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:12 am 
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Try renaming the drive you're going to use, see if that starts it over?


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:23 am 
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I suspect part of the issue is that the control panel is showing an Oldest backup AND a Latest backup for 2 different dates. The issue seems to be what data does this function keep on my system? THAT stuff needs to be deleted... THAT may be what has gummed this up.


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 10:02 am 
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I just checked my TM... what a worthless App, Backups have been going fine but impossible to Restore anything from any of them. :upset:

Anyway, in it's pref pane set the disk to a blank drive, or at least one with no TM backup on it, the data showing for latest backup ^ such went to zero after about a minute of doing that.


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 10:28 am 
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Ended up calling them, got escalated twice they had me delete and restart it... only difference is THIS time I excluded the target drive BEFORE I started TM up, even though during the initial backup, that target drive WAS listed on the exclude list.

Oh, it's a funky way to restore stuff. When you "enter" TM, it will show a window text list for your desktop folder. More copies of it fan out behind it. You need to use the controls on the side (and the arrow buttons for fine control) to the date/time you want for the restore. Then navigate from that to the file. Still, I usually do that navigation from the git go... then go "backwards" to the date/time I want. This way, you can get to ANY version of any file by hour I think.


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 10:40 am 
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Thanks... I'll be danged, the arrows and Restore button never worked before, but since switching the Backup Disk then switching it back... all works as should be!

Didn't check it after I did the test for you 'till now. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:35 am 
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Harrumph, today Enter TM drive again no longer allows up/down arrows or Restore!? :(


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:12 pm 
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Odd... now that I have a few, went in there and it works as expected, clocking the "behind" window brings it forward, the arrows work to go to specific times that backups were created. Not sure what to suggest...


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:29 pm 
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Thanks, not sure what to do either, might try another user or Safe Mode later.

Right now can't click on any window behind or arrows or Restore, but in the foremost window I can navigate to a Date & Right click to choose Restore to... :confused:


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 1:02 pm 
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Might also try a surface scan and re-allocate on that drive...


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 3:02 pm 
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Thanks Paul, have done both drives... every which way.

Stranger still is that Back in Time, companion App of Tri-Backup sees & deals with the available TM Backups just fine!


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 8:28 am 
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Oh, had no idea there were any third party apps dealing with TM Backups. It does bother me that we USED to have a very thriving market of third party apps, but no more (thinking of e-mail specifically).


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 10:25 am 
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Indeed,3rd party Apps are the only reason Macs aren't just glorified Typewriters.
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Time Machine is a great basic backup tool, but the options for locating and restoring data are quite limited. Back-In-Time gives you total flexibility in locating and recovering your data to any location on your Mac.

New in Back-In-Time 5 (compared to version 4)

- Mac OS X 10.13 High Sierra compatibility.
- Add APFS compatibility.
- Add snapshots when Local Time Machine backups are analyzed.
- New feature to make a copy of all the different versions of selected files existing in the backups.
- New user interface.
- Improved navigation and search features.
- Original contents browser: to compare the contents of your Mac with the Time Machine backups.
- Export a contents of a backup to a text file.
- Compare two exported contents.
- Ability to use Back-In-Time without administrator privileges.

Transcend Time Machine restoration possibilities

• See the number of versions of each document, the deleted items, etc.
• Drag and Drop Time Machine data to any location in your Mac.
• Access Time Machine backups from multiple disks and from other Macs.
• Create Virtual Time Machine disks to browse unavailable Time Machine backups (old Time Machine disks, Time Machine backups from other Macs, etc.).
• And much more...


https://www.tri-edre.fr/english/backintime.html


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 Post subject: Re: Time Machine?
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 10:50 am 
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Boy, all this software expense is starting to really add up. Alsoft wants 60 bucks to upgrade my last version, CCC wants 40 bucks, these guys want 30, TechTool wants 140. As it looks it may be a cold day in hell if I go much beyond S or HS, the versions I already have will suit just fine (did spend the 20 bucks for SpeedTools, even though LONG out of date, seems to do a very good job so far).


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