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 Post subject: MBP 2018 teardown
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:31 pm 
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ifixit did a teardown of the 2018 MacBook Pros:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA9VqG4j5kk

Needless to say it's depressing. If anything goes wrong and it's going to be a very, very expensive repair.

It seems like it was designed to lower Apple's labor costs for warranty work. You'll either replace a few minor components or the motherboard or an entire top/bottom plate. The power switch also has to be paired to the motherboard's security chip, which is unlikely to be possible to do as a non-Apple employee.

Premium priced disposable computers. What a goddamn travesty.


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 Post subject: Re: MBP 2018 teardown
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:21 pm 
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I don't even need to look, could've guessed easily enough. :(


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 Post subject: Re: MBP 2018 teardown
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:44 pm 
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And people wonder why hackintoshing is building up so much steam.

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 Post subject: Re: MBP 2018 teardown
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:53 pm 
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The reason why storage and RAM are socketed or otherwise not on the motherboard is because those are the components most likely to fail.

I really hope this turns around and bites them in the ass. My employer has absolutely no intentions of ever buying a single Mac again unless Apple changes ways. The last units we bought are 2 years old and already starting to fail due to inadequate airflow. Now, for some strange reason, they've started listening to us.


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 Post subject: Re: MBP 2018 teardown
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I think this guy has a fair and reasoned take on recent Apple hardware:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYHwkIuEMo


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 Post subject: Re: MBP 2018 teardown
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:38 pm 
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Such a shame that these designs are keyed to turning them into disposable computers. I have refused to buy since 2011. A machine I gave new life to thanks to new battery, more RAM and fast SSD.

This quarter's earnings call reported lowest Mac sales since 2010 I believe and 60% of those went to first time Mac buyers. It seems we are not alone in being Mac users who refuse to upgrade to the new philosophy.

I'm glad I didn't buy into that given the risk of keyboard failure (which appears to be a design issue) that Apple will only cover (if the machine passes inspection) for four years.

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 Post subject: Re: MBP 2018 teardown
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Of course the only reason they changed to the new jamming keyboard design was because they made their laptops thinner. Even though they were having overheat issues with the slightly thicker design, let's make the new design thinner with even less thermal headroom so the CPUs go into thermal throttling mode even faster. Lots of reports of i9 2018s running slower than i7s, even i5s, with some workloads.

What I didn't notice about the 2018 model when I originally wrote this is that they're still using DDR3 RAM. Premium priced disposable computers depending on already-end-of-life technology.


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 Post subject: Re: MBP 2018 teardown
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MonkeyBoy wrote:
Of course the only reason they changed to the new jamming keyboard design was because they made their laptops thinner. Even though they were having overheat issues with the slightly thicker design, let's make the new design thinner with even less thermal headroom so the CPUs go into thermal throttling mode even faster. Lots of reports of i9 2018s running slower than i7s, even i5s, with some workloads.

What I didn't notice about the 2018 model when I originally wrote this is that they're still using DDR3 RAM. Premium priced disposable computers depending on already-end-of-life technology.


The i9 throttling issue is mostly taken care of by the new supplemental update that came out just for those laptops. Unfortunately under extended duress, it'll still throttle, though hopefully nowhere near as badly.

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 Post subject: Re: MBP 2018 teardown
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Inserting wait states to give the CPU time to cool off means less performance though. I don't think a lot of Mac users understand that when a Mac overheats its not because you're doing anything wrong, its because Apple didn't design the system cooling system correctly. It should be capable of handling the heat output of the system at full load (or close to it). They're not.


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 Post subject: Re: MBP 2018 teardown
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I picture that there must be a huge plaque in Apple's Thermal Engineering Dept. that reads...

How hot can it run & still have most of them last a year?


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 Post subject: Re: MBP 2018 teardown
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:48 pm 
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MonkeyBoy wrote:
Inserting wait states to give the CPU time to cool off means less performance though. I don't think a lot of Mac users understand that when a Mac overheats its not because you're doing anything wrong, its because Apple didn't design the system cooling system correctly. It should be capable of handling the heat output of the system at full load (or close to it). They're not.


Is that what they actually did?

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