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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:41 am 
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Bought the iPhone 6s (128GB) on Black Friday - SIM free from Apple. (Got an iTunes Gift card for waiting until then to make the purchase).
Although I finally bit the bullet, Mr H want little to do with my "new toy" - so it's all on my back.

iPhone arrives on Tuesday.
I’ve signed on with Consumer Cellular (inexpensive and uses AT&T network here).
I’ve got the SIM card already. Purchased a case and screen protector.

What to do first?
Consumer Cellular will help me set the thing up for their service - from how to put in the card to getting connected.

This question by Anonymous got me thinking:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=7904&p=103044&hilit=itunes#p103044

What do I do about iTunes back-up?
I will have to do it on the Mavericks MBP with which we travel - as of now it’s the only Mac we have with a current 12.5.3 iTunes.

Should I put our existing music library, 60+GB of music I ripped (right word?) from CDs, onto the Mavs MBP before I attempt to back up the phone there? The music is ALL stuff I copied from CDs, nothing is an iTunes purchase.
The music library is on the iMac and on an iPod classic 160GB (and on several backup external HDs).
Looks like I can copy the music library to get it to the MBP? Is that how that's done?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204318
Is this how to do it? Or is there another way?

How do I get the music from the MBP to the iPhone?
And what sequence should I follow - back up the iPhone to the Mavs MBP first, or put the music into iTunes first and then do the backup?
Or does it not matter?


I also have to learn how to backup to iCloud.

Warning: Be prepared for lots more questions to follow.

Thanks as always...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:53 am 
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iTunes Backup: Plug in your phone, tell it you're setting up a new phone (hope it doesn't decide to erase it), and let iTunes back it up.

iCloud backup: Do you really want to do this? Unless you pay monthly for extra storage space you probably won't be able to, and Apple doesn't really document how iCloud interacts with things stored locally but synced between devices through iCloud. This means that things you thought were safely backed up may (or may not) get randomly deleted when you're trying to clear up space somewhere or disconnect from an iCloud account, even though you thought they were safely stored God only knows where in some cloud thing. Bottom line, I'm a computer programmer and former systems administrator by profession and if I can't figure out how the Hell iCloud is supposed to work, I can't expect anyone else to, and when I can't figure out how something works I generally revert to assuming it doesn't, a proposition supported by anecdotal experience I've read online about stuff just vanishing in to the fog cloud. Maybe someone else here will have a rosier opinion of it.

Moving music to another computer: If you've never used iTunes on the destination computer you can probably just copy your iTunes folder from computer A to computer B. Make sure iTunes isn't running on either computer when you do it. If you have used iTunes on the other computer you have two choices:
a) If iTunes is configured to copy music in to your library when it's imported, just drag the music files in to iTunes and iTunes will copy them to that computer's music library and add them to its catalog.
b) If iTunes isn't configured to copy music to its own iTunes music folder when you import something, then first copy the other computer's iTunes music folder to the destination computer, then drag it in to iTunes to add the files to iTunes.
NOTE: Neither method (a) nor (b) will preserve playlists, etc.

Once your music is on the computer that you'll use to manage the iPhone, you can tell iTunes which music you want on the phone in pretty much the same way as you do with the iPod, then when you plug in the phone and sync/backup those files will be copied.

I hope that sort of points you in the right direction...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:05 pm 
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Thank you so much for your help, Anon. Your answer and explanation are very clear.

On the 13" MBP that we travel with iTunes has never been used. Nothing is on it yet. So it should be easy for me to follow directions to put the music there.

Does it matter if the music is on iTunes when I first go to back up (sync?) the phone to iTunes?
Should I do the sync first of just the phone before I try to add the music?

"NOTE: Neither method (a) nor (b) will preserve playlists, etc."
STUPID question - playlist? I just have tons of music - individual symphonies, concertos etc broken down (never should have done that) by movement. Believe it or not, I haven't a clue if I have a playlist. When I first put the music onto iTunes years ago I followed advice from here: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/itunes.htm
"Taming iTunes & iPod for Classical Music" unfortunately led me astray and the music that has multiple parts leads to trouble - sometimes if I don't get it right, we'll hear all movement 1 of all the symphonies by X, and then all movement 2 etc - so I have to play each symphony separately.

Can I regroup music and re-sync it on the new iTunes (I'm sure I can't fix the music on the iPod from a new iTunes but can use the old iTunes still on the Snow iMac if I can figure out how to edit and reorganize it...) Another grand plan I don't have time for.... sigh

Your question earlier, to which I linked, scared me enough to wonder what am I supposed to do when and how.

I love your description about iCloud. Thanks for that. On some Apple KB, it all sounded so simple - but you've put the fear of iCloud into me, that's for sure.

The phone arrives Monday, its shipping has been speeded up I guess. But a sudden and immediate family health emergency may prevent me from setting it up or checking it out ASAP - this worries me (return period is just 14 days but my interlocutor at Apple said that usually could be extended to 30), - I just don't have time for small worries like phones at the moment.

I did get an email from Apple with this (free???) offer:
"We can help you get the most out of your new device right in the comfort of your own home with Personal Setup. In this interactive online session*, an Apple Specialist will walk you through some key features and answer your questions. They’ll also point out some great apps, and help you personalize your device." and a little button to click to set up a time.

Time is what I haven't got now - and I hope I can still do it in a week or so (I guess I have to try to call them and verify this). Consumer Cellular has also said they will help set up the phone to their config so that should be useful. I don't know whether to be freaked or what - this is a whole (brave) new world for me.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:15 pm 
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Apple's 6 pages of exhaustively meticulous step-by-step instructions: How to move your iTunes library to a new computer - https://support.apple.com/HT204318 Use this if you suspect any of your media are not in the standard location (iTunes Media folder).

My one-sentence summary if you always use iTunes' default preferences settings: Copy the entire iTunes folder (and in doing so all its sub-folders and files) intact to the other drive, hold down the option/alt key (shift on Windows) while starting iTunes, and when requested to select a library select the iTunes Library.itl file in the copied folder (Open a different iTunes Library file or create a new one - https://support.apple.com/HT201596).

When this is to a new drive/computer put the copied iTunes folder in the default location of Macintosh HD > Users > *User Name* > Music (or Home > Music) then you don't even need to start with the option key held down, iTunes will automatically look for it there. (Make sure there isn't anything already in the iTunes folder there that you want to keep since you will be replacing it with the one you are moving.) Remember to authorize the computer in iTunes to your Apple ID if you use this to sync to Apple mobile devices or play DRM protected media (e.g., movies).

Certain items used in iTunes related activities are not stored in the iTunes library folder but in special folders. If you are moving a library to a different computer you may wish to copy these too:

- Apple Music cache files: http://dougscripts.com/itunes/2015/09/n ... che-files/ -" ~/Library/Caches/com.apple.iTunes/SubscriptionPlayCache/ folder, which is sort of like an “iTunes Media” folder for Apple Music" "(This cache folder doesn’t apply to Radio music. Or to Apple Music you’ve added to your library for offline use, which is stored in your official “ITunes Media” folder.) "

- iOS device backups, various preferences files: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3285925

Windows users see tip at: https://discussions.apple.com/message/18879381#18879381


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:41 pm 
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Limnos wrote:
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When this is to a new drive/computer put the copied iTunes folder in the default location of Macintosh HD > Users > *User Name* > Music (or Home > Music) then you don't even need to start with the option key held down, iTunes will automatically look for it there. (Make sure there isn't anything already in the iTunes folder there that you want to keep since you will be replacing it with the one you are moving.) Remember to authorize the computer in iTunes to your Apple ID if you use this to sync to Apple mobile devices or play DRM protected media (e.g., movies)...


Thanks much, Limnos.
As I said, virgin.

Some of this is Greek to me, but I think what I've quoted above from you is what I need for the move of music.
I looked at the User Name > Music >iTunes folder (there's also an empty Garage Band folder there)
A few folders there seem unnecessary to my world: Album Artwork (with 5 empty folders probably needs to be moved for future use) but iPod Games is not needed. I'll leave it behind and not bother to move it.
The other items - iTunes Library Extras.itdb, ...Genius.itdb, ...Library.itl, a Music folder and Previous iTunes Libraries folder, and itunes Music Library.xml all can be copied in one lump?
Nothing called playlist - as I said - I haven't a clue.

The MBP with which we travel has never had anything done to iTunes except updating it.
I've never bought anything from iTunes and don't exactly know what the authorize computer stuff is all about [though I now have a $50 gift card from the store as a bonus for my purchase ;) ]

Can I do the iPhone sync to iTunes to have a backup (I think I'm right that this is how that happens) on the MBP and deal with the music later?
(And if I change the music to keep movements of symphonies together (somehow, needs more research) I'm hoping that by keeping this still on the Snow iMac I can fix it by syncing to the old iPod as well.)

All this is down the road - emergency family health issue is still unresolved - and I don't know when/if I'll have to get in the car and hasten out of here to there.

For now, thinking about this keeps me going and semi-distracted from reality.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:29 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
iTunes Backup: Plug in your phone, tell it you're setting up a new phone (hope it doesn't decide to erase it), and let iTunes back it up.

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Once your music is on the computer that you'll use to manage the iPhone, you can tell iTunes which music you want on the phone in pretty much the same way as you do with the iPod, then when you plug in the phone and sync/backup those files will be copied.

I hope that sort of points you in the right direction...

- Anonymous


Thanks Anonymous.
I don't think I properly thanked you. I'm waiting on the music until I get it sorted out (and ask a few more questions by starting a new thread, I guess)

Your first comment "tell it you're setting up a new phone (hope it doesn't decide to erase it)," makes me quake in my boots.

The phone was delivered late yesterday so I didn't do anything. I thought to charge it, but it didn't say I'd have to - so....
I'm waiting to put on the screen protector until I make sure the damn thing works - though I'd love to it ASAP - so the surface will be out of the box clean. (maybe put a condom of saran wrap on it while I do setup? :roll: )

I'm going to do prelim setup today via wifi - then call Consumer Cellular and get them to start the service (and change the phone number, I hate the one I was given). Then for a few days hence, set up a phone appt for Apple assistant set-up free help as described above I'm not sure how valuable that will be.

So this first?:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202033

(I read ahead - before I begin which I'll do after coffee :coffee:

5.Restore or transfer your apps and data
Tap Restore from iCloud Backup, Restore from iTunes Backup, Set up as New, or Move Data from Android.
I assume at that point I do "Set up as New," (my bold above)

Your worry about set up as new looks like it's just for the backup?

Then at the end, (after step 9)
Finish up
Tap Get Started to begin using your device. Make a safe copy of your data by backing up, and learn about more features in the user guide for your iPhone...

I also assume at this point I choose iTunes backup (based on your advice! thanks.)
That took me here:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht203977

Any further suggestions on what they show?
Really - do you think it could delete everything on the phone rather than back it up???

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:40 am 
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All you're really doing is copying the folder called "iTunes" from one computer to the exact same location relative to your user area on the other computer. As long as you don't already have anything in iTunes on the new computer then you can replace the existing one which will be pretty much empty. A bunch of those folders and files you mention will be present in every iTunes library ("library" = entire contents of iTunes folder). The iTunes folder is like a city library which is more than just a pile of books, it is a whole infrastructure built to support media organization. If you leave some of those things behind you may suddenly find something like artwork missing when you open iTunes on the other computer.

Playlists are actually part of the "iTunes Library.itl" file, that's why you don't see something called playlist.

Realize a device can only be synced to one library at a time. No taking that iPod and attaching it to one computer, then the other.

Keeping a library synchronized between two different computers is very difficult. Apple has partial solutions such as Home Sharing, Match, and Apple Music but it isn't seamless.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:17 pm 
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I primarily use Home Sharing to share media, and only copy the library when I'm migrating to a new system. It generally works okay when I'm at home, although there are long standing, never resolved issues with disconnecting in iTunes 10 when playing videos (especially long ones, like movies. grrr).

I recently copied my entire library to a MicroSD card for my (Android) phone, but that's turned into a nightmare since I had duplicate slightly renamed files in my two different music library locations (one's on an external drive, the other's in iTunes), and they were kept during the merge. Now I need to figure out how to get all these crappy m4p files into m4a format...


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:15 pm 
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Mrs H wrote:
Your first comment "tell it you're setting up a new phone (hope it doesn't decide to erase it)," makes me quake in my boots.

You'll be fine since because even if iTunes does decide to erase it, you don't yet have anything saved there (and I can't prove it ever does erase it -- the wording is just really ambiguous as to what it does do, let alone under what conditions it might do something else). For the record, it didn't erase the phone I was working with a few weeks ago, so maybe it's totally safe? Who knows. Apple won't tell us. There's anecdotal evidence that Apple support doesn't even know what the button does.

Mrs H wrote:
So this first?:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202033

(I read ahead - before I begin which I'll do after coffee :coffee:

5.Restore or transfer your apps and data
Tap Restore from iCloud Backup, Restore from iTunes Backup, Set up as New, or Move Data from Android.
I assume at that point I do "Set up as New," (my bold above)

Your worry about set up as new looks like it's just for the backup?

Then at the end, (after step 9)
Finish up
Tap Get Started to begin using your device. Make a safe copy of your data by backing up, and learn about more features in the user guide for your iPhone...

I also assume at this point I choose iTunes backup (based on your advice! thanks.)
That took me here:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht203977

Any further suggestions on what they show?
Really - do you think it could delete everything on the phone rather than back it up???

I've no further suggestions. It worked for me! It's easy to extrapolate to any conclusion from a single data point, but at least you have nothing on the new phone to lose just yet. I still think iTunes (local) backups are the way to go: they're free, reliable, don't require beaming your data across the Internet, are fast, simple, and so far reliable without (in my limited experience) ambiguous/unexpected interactions between your devices and data.

My only other comment is that iPhone backups through iTunes inexplicably don't back up photos or movies stored there. Be sure to transfer any photos to your computer separately, eg through Image Capture, Photos, iPhoto, etc...

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Now I need to figure out how to get all these crappy m4p files into m4a format...


Jan. 2014 tip on previously purchased tracks that won't upgrade through Match - https://discussions.apple.com/message/24606681

Remember, you can burn DRM music to CD (I think 7 times) which then behaves as a normal audio CD as regards to ripping, etc. The quality won't be as high as the original music unless you store it as lossless and that still won't be the same as if ripped from a store purchased commercial CD.

If you want higher quality copies and do not want to pay for Match you may consider re-purchasing the tracks, probably through an online retailer other than Apple. Because you already have the tracks Tunes Store won't let you re-purchase them using your present account and you may not want to start another one just for this purpose.


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I was thinking about logging in on a different computer and having it re-download all purchased tracks from the store. This would work for tracks that are still available from the store but not for ones which have subsequently been removed.

I did find a page with hints on how to find and convert songs to MP3s, but it only works for M4As, though they did have a tidbit about creating a smart playlist of the type "protected" to actually find tracks that won't convert.

I suppose once I count them up I can figure out if the annoying big brother aspects of iTunes Match plus its limitations are worth fighting with, or whether I can just sit around writing to CD-RWs then re-importing them (like I did over a decade ago, before M4P to M4A conversion was possible) is worth it. I should really kick myself for buying tracks from Apple after they broke all the M4P conversion tools... the author of the one I had been using eventually grew tired and gave up on that cat & mouse game.


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Re-downloading them from the store won't upgrade them.

I have never heard of any m4p conversion tools. Nothing can read the protected files except Apple software. I guess you could do something like use Soundflower and capture the audio output to another file but that isn't "conversion" since it is basically recording sound output from the computer. Realize too that the m4ps were 128k AAC and Apple's standard now is 256k AAC so you're getting a bump in quality.

Make a second, blank library by holding down the option key while starting iTunes. Sign up for Match if you have enough tracks to make it worth it, re-download the tracks you need to upgrade, then turn off Match if you don't want to use it (also set it not to renew after a year), and add the extracted tracks to your regular library. If you don't have enough tracks to merit Match, burn CDs.


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There were tools 10 or so years ago that would use the encryption key iTunes put on your HD to decrypt the files straight to an m4a, no loss in quality whatsoever. I think they stripped something else out of the file too but left the Apple ID information intact so if you shared the files you were just as screwed.

128 vs 256 doesn't really bug me, I'm not playing through a decent audio system and frankly my ears have deteriorated enough to not be capable of hearing any differences between 128 & 256 AAC (the differences would be psychosomatic in nature).

I'll have to take a look at the library this weekend after I get a decent amount of sleep. Write to CD-RW, import to MP3, erase CD-RW, gets tedious after a while. Should've kept a couple CD-RWs just in case...


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Repeat message from last person with cell phone thread - sorry for repeating myself, but I figured this message from there applies here too - and yes, I probably should just have given a link. But I love to see all those little :bonk: s

We just returned home from family emergency. Yesterday with help from Consumer Cellular I set up our brand new iPhone 6s, which arrived on November 28! And yes, by waiting till Black Friday to make the purchase I received a $50 bonus of an iTunes gift card (not sure if I'll ever use it, but...)

Mr H still can't believe we've actually done this and finally entered the 20th (or 21st?) century.

Purchased unlocked phone from Apple and am entitled to a free online/phone session with a set-up assistant for help. I'm waiting till I've fussed with it a bit before doing so -so I'll have all my questions lined up.

:o :shock: :? :lol: :oops:
Words from the most neurotic (OCD?) person you know:
I've tried to avoid touching the screen until I can get Mr H to help me put on the tempered glass screen protector (as in he puts the screen on and I watch).
I've been wearing a new pair of white nylon gloves, like the ones I used to use for handling negatives and I've tried working through a small plastic bag - not easy btw - the home button doesn't always respond.
Only now when I reviewed how to install a screen protector did I learn that the screen is currently covered with a plastic film - so removing it I'll have a clean screen to install the glass screen protector on - which is what I was trying to achieve with the gloves. :bonk: :bonk: :bonk: :bonk: :bonk: :bonk: :bonk: :bonk: :bonk:

I've got a lot to learn, but at least the sucker works.

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