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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:24 am 
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@anonymous:

Thanks for the follow-up . . . probably a mini would be absolutely fine for my pretty basic needs . . . one of the things that kept me pointing toward the towers is the easy to work on feature of this present ST . . . so easy to get into it and do stuff--of course, now that I've more or less maxed out the cpu speed and RAM there isn't too much need to get into it.

And, now that I have the display there isn't that additional expense to get a mini running . . . might have to take a look; definitely need to keep things on the cheap here lately . . . . Have to get the time to really look the options over carefully before I make a purchase . . . still possibly a late model G4 beefed up with RAM could be fine for my projects.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:54 am 
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The 2.3Ghz G5 is available in both PCI-X and PCIe flavors. I believe both are air-cooled and dual core. Either way using PCI-X or PCIe is kind of expensive, since few compatible cards are still floating around. eBay is probably the best option and sometimes people have funny ideas about what things are worth on there.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:39 pm 
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@MB: Thanks again for the comments . . . next step will be to actually look over the available machines and prices to try to get a better understanding of "cost/benefit ratios" involved . . . . If it wasn't for using resource hog web sites like Yahoo Mail, FB, and even Gmail . . . the system requirements would be very modest . . . .

Back atcha in a tad bit (whenever that is),

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:04 pm 
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If PPC & speed +reliable as a second thought is a requirement the the PCIe G5 2.3 GHz I linked to earlier is about as good as it gets as far as I see it.

PS. Had I the money I'd be getting a Coldfire machine & leave all these crap OSes behind. :fishsmack:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:20 pm 
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BDAqua wrote:
If PPC & speed +reliable as a second thought is a requirement the the PCIe G5 2.3 GHz I linked to earlier is about as good as it gets as far as I see it.

PS. Had I the money I'd be getting a Coldfire machine & leave all these crap OSes behind. :fishsmack:


@BD:

Thanks for that re-re-re-clarification . . . I'll give it a serious look. "Coldfire"???? Never hoid of dat der . . . not to be confused with coalfired home heating system??? :badteeth:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:14 pm 
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http://acp.atari.org/about.html

http://medusacomputer.com/firebee.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Coldfire_Project


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:40 am 
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@BD:

Thanks for the educational materials . . . I missed the Atari phenom as I was computer free until the early '00's . . . but I appreciate the "open source" movement . . . . There are linux machines that can be found, which perhaps is "similar" . . . but, in looking at the processor "speed" of what, 265MHz???? doesn't seem "fast" . . . are they doing something else there that makes it "work" for today's requirements?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:23 am 
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Well, one example, many printer drivers on the Atari were less than 1KB, even Color Postscript driver was under 20KB…

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2801&p=40150&hilit=atari+postscript#p40150

On an 8 MHz Atari, one second to send a 300 DPI Letter/Legal page through DMA/ACSI to SLM-804 Laser printer.

Outside of graphic tasks like rotating a 100KB TIFF, my 32 MHz (16/8 MHz bus) Atari performed most tasks faster than 200 MHz Macs & 300 MHz PCs, then with the Falcons & a DSP we could do live Video editing.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:39 am 
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Ah, well that's even smaller footprint or demand on system than linux . . . and linux is about 1/3 of OSX in terms of OS space . . . well, if you play the lotto, then maybe the $$ will show up for you . . . . : - 0

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:32 am 
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:D

I leave my front door open in case the winning Lottery ticket blowns in, odds are close to buying a ticket & winning :coffee:


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I recall a joke that basically stated state lotteries are gambling for people who are bad at math.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:38 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:41 pm 
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MonkeyBoy wrote:
I recall a joke that basically stated state lotteries are gambling for people who are bad at math.


It's ***using*** the gambler's mentality to open the mental space for allowing the "big win" to be "manifested" . . . it's a trick for the mind to be "positive" about letting money come "for nothing" . . . to coin a phrase from rock n roll . . . . : - )

BD's "keeping the door open" is a similar idea . . . "letting something 'blow in' . . . possibly a lottery ticket or actual cash" . . . it does happen . . . .

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:29 pm 
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I always hear from these people how much they won at the casinos… how much they spent is a foggier number, generally chalked up to "entertainment". :upset:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:49 pm 
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That's why casinos always comp rooms for big winners, anything to keep them in the casino longer so they can lose it all. The room is available whether they take it or not, but the money they won is a real cost.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:25 pm 
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And all that glitzy stuff in casinos isn't cheap.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:05 pm 
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BDAqua wrote:
And all that glitzy stuff in casinos isn't cheap.


They could obviously "afford" the coldfire route . . . .


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BDAqua wrote:
And all that glitzy stuff in casinos isn't cheap.
It's even more expensive when someone walks out the door with a lot of cash that otherwise could be theirs. The reason all that expensive stuff is around is because they've figured out how to keep people there until they've sucked every dime out of the visitor.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:35 pm 
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Indeed, & I can't understand how those gamblers don't see whose paying for it… that & consistant winners may never be heard from again. :badteeth:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:55 pm 
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At least the card games have some skill involved. I like blackjack. Someone once left me a pile of chips to play with (she wanted to go back to her room) and I had a good run. Then they changed dealers and it all went south. I walked away with some money but lost a couple hands before I gave up. It was amazing how just that simple change messed up the mojo.

The slot machines though are totally rigged. They're networked now and someone decides how much they'll take in before they pay out. They don't get to determine exactly which machine gets the payout, but there's central logic to let X flow in before Y flows out, based on the entire floor. Gotta keep up the illusion that you can win so everyone else will keep feeding in money.


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Continuing saga . . . it's starting to look like I might have pulled together the theme and content for a potential "next book" . . . so possibly the "main" task will be writing . . . for which the computer will be running for hours while I try to figure out what the "next word" will be . . . .

So, I'm kind of pulling away from getting another PPC unit, I have one now to access old files . . . but instead moving into the Intel range of products . . . and rather than going for massive power . . . something that gets me into possibly 10.9 range, with enough speed and RAM to "get around" on the web . . . but not "break the bank" in terms of power usage . . . .

Does that mean "mac mini"??? Or, are there some Mac Pro editions that are reasonably "new" . . . but aren't huge sources of power sucking sound?? I tried to look at "everymac" for some data on power units or use, but found none there. I'd like the easy access to the components that the MP tower should provide . . . but, seems like for the upcoming future the "task" will be word-processing and prep for self-publish . . . . I don't think I need 12 cores to do that, especially if the power bill will jump up compared to my PM 3,1 . . . . Is there some place that would show range of Apple towers and specs on wattage used . . . compared to Mac Mini?

Possibly the only thing that sort of steers me away from the Mini would be that it seems like the "lid" has to be pried off?? making that process of getting to RAM somewhat cumbersome?? Or, it's just like laptop, there are tiny, tiny screws to undo and then the panel easily drops off?? Not that I would have to be doing it often, but I do like the PM "side-panel is door" feature . . . EZ entry. Best "bang for buck" in Apple is Mini??

What about jumping ship for PC desktop options . . . for potential "Hackintoshing" . . . in terms of value and easy on the "gas" . . . hours of sitting staring at the screen waiting for the inspired word to appear???

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:56 pm 
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Here's Apple's own power stats on the Mac Pro: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201796

And for the Mac Mini: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201897

Yes, there's a big difference!

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To add to that…

Mac Pro Mid 2010 3.46 GHz 12 core, 32 GB, 4 HDDs, 1 SSD, Radeon HD 7950, running dnetcCL… 342 Watts.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:45 pm 
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Anonymous wrote:
Here's Apple's own power stats on the Mac Pro: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201796
And for the Mac Mini: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201897
Yes, there's a big difference!

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@anonymous:

Thanks for the links, yeah, looks substantial in terms of wattage . . . for the most part even "maxed" the Mini is using less power . . . and seemingly less than when the big boys are "at idle." I guess there could be some "argument" like Detroit offered back in the 70's gas crunch, that a V-8 engine could "use less gas" than smaller engines because you never had to use all the power of it . . . it was always "under-stressed" and therefore "economical" . . . .

So, that would be the question, whether in the long run the Mac Pro . . . under-utilized for its max power . . . would last longer??? But, seems like if the mini is using roughly 85 watts maxed out, that is still well under some of the MP's "idle" wattage . . . . Seems like for OSX the Mini would be the cheaper machine to operate . . . .

And then what about the 2012 cut-off for having RAM soldered into place in Apple laptops?? Is that across the board for all Apple machines, post 2012 RAM is hard-soldered and not really up-grade-able??? So any Mini after that would have to be set up with >8GB RAM to be able to do anything around 10.9??? And, Mini's are "easy" to work on, or, PITA like the iMac???

And, then, trying to catch some opinion on whether there are better choices of machines, easy to work on and easy on power that are non-Apple?? Or, really Apple continues to make a really nice machine and it's worth the bucks to get their smallest computer--it's just all-around that good?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:30 pm 
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It's a safe bet that any Mac Mini will use a lot less power than any Mac Pro in every even vaguely plausible scenario. Most Mac Pros will also hold more RAM than most Mac Minis, but how much more depends on the model. Don't get a 2014 Mac Mini because the RAM, as with the MacBooks, cannot be upgraded. Any "Core i" or Core2 Duo solid aluminum Mac Mini, and any Mac Pro, should be very reliable. Don't consider a first generation Mac Pro because they can't run modern versions of OS X (without at least jumping through some really absurd hoops that aren't worth discussing).

They're both also fairly easy to work on: if you have small hands and a careful touch the Mac Mini is pretty easy once you kind of get used to it, but the first couple times you take it apart be very careful not to tear out various wires, since it's really quite difficult to repair them when you do.

The Mac Pro is mostly very easy to work on as long as you don't need to get at the really deep crucial innards. Since they seem very reliable, this hasn't really been much of a problem, and they're certainly not hard to work on the way the iMacs are hard to work on.

I'm very happy with my 2008 Mac Pro, aside from the power consumption, and have been very pleased with the Mac Minis I've used.

I'm not sure about the current viability of hackintoshes...I'll let someone else comment.

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