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BD:

OK, thanks for the thoughts . . . since I have no prior experience with this to compare to I can't tell if perseverance will "further" or just be a waste of more time. But appreciate the details on the clock speed as a reason for it not registering; I was wondering if that was a sure sign the processor is messed up. But, in checking for how long will it take for the computer to "figure it out" and not being stable in the meanwhile . . . how did that manifest? If it's just system freeze and over time it would be longer until it happened, that might be one thing . . . but, this unit has a fan attached . . . and shorter crashing . . .AND the damage to the disk seems to me a sign that something ain't right in Denmark??? Although it was interesting in yesterday's case where the disk tested fine with the old cpu back in . . . .

And, then, Sonnet processor firmware??? Supposedly this cpu just needed the 4.2.8 firmware update, and is not a Sonnet?? I guess it wouldn't hurt to try?? Is that just an app to be installed into OSX, or this is another "programmer button" install?

I don't know what to say on this item, it hasn't work for longer than half an hour at a stretch, and that was with just minimal use of the GUI, no huge tasks like you were describing to test it out, just browser . . . ??? I don't know if it's worth it to have just for something to do . . . certainly when it was working things were happening a little faster . . . but, not for long . . . . I sent the guy an eBay email saying I wanted to send it back, haven't checked to see if he replied yet . . . didn't want to exceed the 30 day time period on returns . . . .

e.

Just eMailed you through the board the info on Sonnett Cache, if you want to try it I have it, 140KB, 36KB Zipped.

I think it worked on other brands too.

BD:

Saw the email, many thanks . . . well, I figured that I would indeed try the "de-clock" gambit, see if the system will run 700 or 800 MHz . . . so, yeah I guess I'll try this Sonnet Cache thingie . . . Is that different than the package linked "Download now" button? That link seemed to open a "what should we do with this package?" in my mbpro . . . .

e.

[Edit: I clicked on the link and it downloaded the "Sonnet Firmware Updater 3.1pkg" . . . should I install that or wait for the SonnetCache?? Same thing or different???]

Doesn't sound like the same PKG, not sure, it wouldn't run in the MBP, at least one would hope it didn't.

This is... SonnetCache 1.4.pkg

BD:

I downloaded it to the PM, but didn't install it . . . so, yeah, let's try this 1.4pkg . . . see how that goes. Also seller posted back, basically saying "You clearly don't know what you are doing, otherwise it would be working" . . . and then a few minutes later with this:


So, I'm assuming that there are some typos in there? In openfirmware I should enter "resey" or "reset"?? And the "return" he just means to hit the return key at that time?? And, is it as he typed it with the hyphen connecting the words OR "reset -nvram" (space between the t and the hyphen)[return] then "reset -all" [return]??? No need for "sudo" in open firmware???

And, then, would each of these steps be repeated for each clock speed selected??? Or just once for the new cpu and then just moving the jumpers???

OR, none of this would be needed with the Sonnet Cache kext???

e

It should be reset yes, & return is yes just hitting enter/return.


I'll lookup your real email addy so I can eMail the 1.4 cahce pkg, which is basically a .kext.

Thanks for the clarifications . . . what about doing the 3x PRAM and pulling battery and so forth, still do that after installing this Sonnet pkg?

Also, any thought about the seller's theory that "just because boot rom says 4.2.8 doesn't mean you installed it properly . . ."???? I ran it one time and it said, "There was a problem" and then I ran it again and it said "Install successful" and it lists in Profiler as "4.2.8" . . . should I still be thinking that 4.2.8 didn't go in right? Or, just move on to this PMU reset & PRAM 3x && battery out and hold the power button gambit???

e.

Let's try it without the resets first.

No way to tell if he's right or not, but I think it's likely OK, now at least.

So, splain it to me Lucy . . . I should try to do the Sonnet kext install, then put the new cpu in, at, 1.4 GHz as he sent it to me? Or, dial it down to 800 . . . or try 1GHz? And see how she flies?

e.

Yeah, install it then maybe the new CPU @ 800 MHz.

It shall be done . . . .

[edit: It is done . . . set for 800 and just for jazz pushed pmu reset button . . . booted the computer, got to spinning action wheel . . . and, instant crash. Tried it again . . . same thing . . . tried the PRAM "three times" . . . and, here we are, typing in 800MHz . . . . So, we'll see how it goes . . . I'll keep using it for awhile at this speed . . . fingers crossed.]

[edit2: Well, a couple hours later and the machine is still running, without issue . . . so thanks to all who helped to talk me through this one . . . and, many thanks to BD for the .kext, seems to be making a difference.

The 800 is certainly faster than the 450, but still the intermittent spinning beachball on loading emails . . . guess I'd ultimately like to get it up over 1GHz??? Now, I'm wondering if CCC will be able to clone the ext HD INTO the basic 10.4 install plus the SonnetCache thingie . . . or if Migration Asst will work to move iTunes and emails and stuff back?? Or, I could install Sonnet Cache in the Ext HD system . . . and then clone the whole she-bang back into the IntHD???]

Latest update:

Well, I told the seller "done deal" . . . and unit ran fine until I tried to install the Sonnet Cache pkg to the ext HD clone of the original install . . . from the internal HD . . . and then there was a "freeze" after I clicked "continue" on the install . . . . So, I don't know if that is something related to the Sonnet Cache pkg . . . I seemed to see something about "software good for only one install"??? so I have it installed on the int HD . . . which is now the "new" 10.4 install of only 5.4 GB . . . none of the old files, bookmarks . . . and, I'd like to get those back into circulation.

Or, just some "random" stability issue with the new blindingly fast 800 MHz cpu?? I did have the ext HD connected and mounted before to get the 10.4.11 combo update installed . . . and, seemed to be "OK" . . . . I'm thinking there would be a problem trying to boot the ext HD clone w/o the Sonnet Cache installed??? Or, maybe that would work since we haven't exceeded the 1 GHz line yet? Didn't have the time to try that, after the system crash I rebooted into linux to see if that would work and that brought some "crash errors" . . . finally just shut it down . . . . Back to it tomorrow . . . .

e.

I believe the Sonnett cache can only be installed on the drive you're booted from.

Ah . . . well then, next step would be to try to boot the clone from the ext HD . . . while it is still in 800MHz speed zone. That was the speed of the iMac that the system was running in before I moved it over to the PowerMac tiny brain . . . might recall that 800 was the "original" speed of the system???? Then maybe try to install the Sonnett Cache from . . . "within" the clone . . . .

e.

Yes, I'd try it from the clone, but how long does it run stable @ 800 MHz?

It ran for several hours on Saturday and then again on Sunday . . . right up until I clicked "continue" in the SC installer . . . got the "freeze" . . . then shut it down with power button . . . and rebooted it into linux just to test that out. So, pretty "stable" in 800 . . . more or less does what I needed . . . . I would want to get it to 1 GHz or so at some point . . . but how long should I run the 800 system to get all the electrons in proper alignment ?

And, then, if I add more speed . . . I will need to do the PRAM gambit each time?

PS: Seller mentioned that this cpu came out of a fellow Powermac ST model, gave instruction that the PMU button should "only be pressed **momentarily*** . . . not held for several seconds . . . holding button could damage mobo . . . ." So, after the third install of this cpu I did briefly press the PMU button . . . and after it quickly crashed . . . did the PRAM "3 chimes for 3 times" and that did get the system booted and running the basic system, doing basic check email & FB . . . for several hours . . . .

Yes, I think we can eventually get it much higher, in steps though, in my experience 1 week of "Electron Etching®" running dnetc, on the short side, & 1 month on the long side is what seemed to align the new speedier tracks the Electrons take.

Funny . . . like the copyrighted name . . . . "dnetc"???? I don't think I have that . . . where do I get that at? : - )) But, OK . . . no worries or rush . . . the 800 is almost 2x of what it was . . . and is a substantial improvement in and of itself . . . . We shall continue to etch the electrons to the inside track . . . before going to warp drive or higher than impulse . . . .

e.

We have a team...

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=38&p=98823#p98823

They have clients for Linux PPC & OSC PPC...

http://www.distributed.net/Download_clients

OK, I had found the "distributed.net" web site, but not the downloads page, so thanks . . . looked at the last page of the other thread . . . .

Is this a console app that does some "stress test" on the cpu?? I'm away from the PM for today, so I can't just dl it and find out . . . . Since I have a choice of linux or PPC is either one a better choice for this app . . . which is called "OpenCL"???

You can' run the OpenCL client, only the PPC variants...

OSX PPC...

http://http.distributed.net/pub/dcti/cu ... ppc.tar.gz

Linux PPC...

http://http.distributed.net/pub/dcti/cu ... ibc.tar.gz

They run in Terminal, never tried the Linux version, but the OSX version uses Altivec to good advantage, which back in the days beat comparable MHz PCs by a factor of 400% to 500%!

I read the previous page of the XCLRate team's thread . . . but still haven't found what it does besides making the computer heat up . . . it let's the terminal do a "virtual overclock" to "pre-load the cpu" and let the system have "precognition" on what running faster will be like??

Looks like it was giving MB some problems??? I don't like problems . . . . : - )))))

e.

It works the CPU real good, you can always quit it easily with control+c, but I think MB was with the OpenCL client, which is a whole different deal as it runs on the Video Card.

OK . . . instructions/guidelines are included in the .pkg . . . or it's self-explanatory and it just does its thing until I would cut it with control +c???

Pretty easy, once downloaded you drag the dnetc file to the Terminal & hit return/enter, it'll come up with command line prefs, username etc..

You can also kill it by quitting Terminal.

It has Docs ion it also.